Purpose On Fire

[00:00:00] Paula: Welcome to “Chatting With The Experts” This is a podcast for immigrant women from Africa and the Caribbean who have relocated to the UK or the US or Canada or Australia. In this podcast, we talk about our struggles and I say ‘our’ cause I am an immigrant woman but we also talk about the triumphs that we have experienced and we also share resources so that our fellow immigrant women can benefit from them. My guest today is a fellow Caribbean sister, Jacquel Tucker, who now lives and works in Atlanta, Georgia in the US. Jacquel is originally from or was born in Jamaica, in the West Indies or in the Caribbean and I will let her speak and tell you guys about herself. But welcome Jacquel to “chatting with the experts” and tell my listening audience all about yourself, where you did your formal education and in fact, just tell them about you.
[00:01:19] Jacquel: Awesome. Well, Paula, thank you so much for the opportunity and thank you for creating this platform. I have not seen any like it so, I am just grateful for the opportunity for myself and others, who are immigrants to be able to share, to inspire and educate, motivate, give others hope. Like you said, yes, I am from Jamaica. I am from a rural community called Higgins land. It’s only a couple of miles from nine miles. If nine miles sounds familiar, it’s that, that’s cause where, that’s, Bob Marley grew up and is buried. Just amazing experience growing up way up in the country and I went to Westwood high school in Shalani, an all girls school. I, you know, from there I did go to the university of Maine on a full scholarship. But growing up, you know, that’s my foundation. My dad was a pastor and my mom, a youth director for seven churches. My dad had two churches and I grew up with eight siblings. So it’s very tiny, tiny home, you know, I shared a bed with my four other sisters, so if you all are familiar with that or close, it definitely gives you a deeper understanding of growing up together as a family and sharing in everything. So, you know, that’s what my, my journey, like I shared, receiving this a full academic scholarship to university of Maine was my first entry into the United States and so what an awesome opportunity to, you know, get that experience and seeing what happens here and how different it was from my culture and how much my culture played a part in who I was and my foundation that allowed me to be successful here, you know, the resilience, the resourcefulness I grew up with, to then be able to use that to build a life here in America, eventually a life built on God and knowing that what he has for me is for me.
[00:03:25] Paula: Cool. That’s so awesome. You said a life built with God because my question was that, did you come to the United States, was it a personal move? But you’ve mentioned that you came here primarily to go to school.
[00:03:38] Jacquel: Yes.
[00:03:39] Paula: Okay. Okay. Right. So you went to the university of Maine and you studied, if I remember correctly hospitality.
[00:03:48] Jacquel: Oh, yes. That’s, that’s Jamaica for you, the land of tourism. So I studied hospitality and restaurant management and tourism.
[00:03:58] Paula: What inspired you to do that? Why did you leave, you said that’s Jamaica for you, so that, from what I’m understanding, you intended to come here and get that degree and go right back home.
[00:04:08] Jacquel: Yes and I actually did. So with, with my scholarship because you know, tourism is huge in Jamaica and even through high school, after high school, people would always say, “Hey, you have a nice smile, you have a great persona. You, you should be in hospitality, working in a hotel” but you know and it’s, funny enough when the scholarship opportunity came and I applied, I had no idea that’s what would be selected for me to be on this program at the university of Maine. And so naturally that’s what I gravitated to and that’s what worked well for me and so, yes, that’s primarily why I came here. I went back home after two years, so I completed the associate degree program. I did have an opportunity for another two years here at another college on a scholarship but you know, when God’s leading you, not everything you hear that sounds good is the right move and so I stayed a two then he basically said, you know, return back to Jamaica because I have something else there for you. This is in his perfect plan of how he was going to weave my life together and I am so glad I listened because that opportunity going back, the opportunities I had there and then coming back here to the US a couple of years later, I mean, was the catalyst for me and be able to properly integrate into society here and in the hospitality industry.
[00:05:46] Paula: Awesome, I love to hear that. That you were led by the Lord to go back to Jamaica, spent two years there and then came back where you were able to fully integrate you said, and not just into the community but into working within his plan for you.
[00:06:05] Jacquel: Exactly. Exactly. Because I think, you know, had I not gone back to Jamaica, I have colleagues who, who stayed here and continued on additional scholarships, but going back to Jamaica, to Jamaica, the incredible opportunities I had when I, when I left the country, you know, when I went back and when I was leaving to come back here for good to the US, I actually left being a supervisor at the, it was at the Jamaica tourist board office in Ocho Rios . The company I worked for was actually tourism action plan, which worked in conjunction with the Jamaica tourist board tourism action plan actually approved all the infrastructure, that would be a new infrastructure that would be built into tourism and they inspected and passed all the hotels and attractions and held them to quality standards so on and so forth. I also was supervising the information boots that tourists would come up to, including at the pier. I was preparing cruise ships, statistics for the minister of tourism for, for the town of Ocho Rios. I would be going on, you know, with the embassy going on US Navy, you know, ships when they would come in, I would be going a board meeting with the captain, debriefing and sharing about Jamaica and do’s and don’ts. So that was such an incredible experience, you know, that if not for different experiences like that, that further develops me and being able to give me that comfort level, different areas of tourism, I don’t think some of the opportunities that I had, I would have done as well, not having certain backgrounds like that.
[00:07:51] Paula: So, you came back, having had that experience in Jamaica, you came back to the United States. Well, why? You seem such amazing…
[00:08:03] Jacquel: You know what and people do ask me that Paula, I’m glad you asked me. And I had amazing opportunities there, but I could sense God had a vision for me, which was so much greater at the time, I couldn’t even articulate it, but when he said move, I move and it served, that period served its time in my life and what God said to me is I have some greater opportunities for you. And I know he knows I have a heart for helping people and those in my country, but he wanted to do it in such a way where it was on a bigger scale. How do I stay there to where I am now, which we’ll get to I’m sure. You’ll see if I had stayed there, this would not have happened. I wouldn’t have been able to reach back now and help my country in such a big way, starting with my family. So yeah, I came back for the opportunities, I also realized too, being in Jamaica at the time, gosh, you needed to be at a certain age for certain positions. People were, it’s not like here where people are retiring early out of jobs or even retiring and so when I looked at the advancement, right, people stay in positions longer and I got back there, I was go go go. In fact, I was the youngest supervisor ever in that position because I was in my early twenties, the person that retired from it, I think was in their late fifties. So normally it’s an older person that’s in that position and so just the mere fact of that, you know, showed me that there are opportunities I can take advantage of and my age is not going to matter. It’s going to be my drive and how hard I work and it will be more of those opportunities, which is why I chose to come back to America.
[00:09:52] Paula: I like that you give perspective to that. You came back to America because you saw that you’re ,you, your growth in Jamaica, your professional growth would be somewhat limited because as you said, people don’t retire at a specific age.
[00:10:10] Jacquel: Yeah retirement is weird, you just keep working.
[00:10:16] Paula: That’s interesting. So you came back and stayed where, I mean, you weren’t going back to school, did you come back to a job? Did you have family here?
[00:10:27] Jacquel: Yes. My parents were actually in New Jersey so I came back to Jersey. I had a sister, I also have family in The Bahamas, so one of my sisters who lived in The Bahamas actually had also migrated just before me to the US. So I came back to New Jersey and stayed with my parents and my sister. We were all living together.
[00:10:49] Paula: True immigrants style. Living together.
[00:10:52] Jacquel: True immigrant style. Yes.
[00:10:56] Paula: I say that because I remember telling my children, who of course are American citizens, that in my time growing up, you stayed at home until sometimes you get, got a job, but you didn’t really just say, “okay, I’m 18, I am an adult, I need to go find my own space”. No, home was still were your parents were.
[00:11:19] Jacquel: Right.
[00:11:20] Paula: You know.
[00:11:21] Jacquel: Exactly.
[00:11:22] Paula: For a lot of people that I’ve spoken with, immigrating can be hard but you came back here from Jamaica, back to your parent’s home. So, that kind of took off, you know, some of the edge of immigrating per se, right?
[00:11:39] Jacquel: Yeah. Yes it did.
[00:11:41] Paula: Okay. Okay. So now you are living with your parents. What was next? What was the next step?
[00:11:47] Jacquel: So what was next for me? I wanted to continue in hospitality and I said to myself, you know, I need to start at the entry level here. So I started at the front desk of the holiday Inn, which was, remember back in the day holiday Inn was the hotel for families, for vacations, reunions, boy. Amazing. So I started at the front desk at the holiday Inn because, you know, God also said to me where he was taking me, he needed me to understand the different levels, the foundation and so I started really entry level at the holiday Inn front desk then quickly went into reservations. Then my front office manager says, “do you want to become a front office manager cause I’m going to be leaving or do you want to go to sales?” And when he explained more to me about sales, I said, that’s where I want to go. They seem happy, they’re meeting clients, they’re certainly making a lot more money, they’re having lunches all the time, they don’t work on the weekends, they don’t work on holidays so that’s where I’m going. And took that, that opportunity became available but I don’t want it to sound like any of that was easy because what I quickly learned was in order for me to get to my next level, I had to outperform the current level I’m at. I had to master that, you know, I had to make sure that if I said, I’m really interested in that next position, someone didn’t look at me like I was crazy, like, you can’t even come in here on time. I wanted them to look at me and say, “Absolutely. You are ready for it. You’ve mastered where you are. You’ve performed well, you are ready for your next level.” And so I always performed with that mentality in mind and just looking around and seeing and being excited about all these opportunities, you know, coming from Jamaica, there was, it was plentiful here, especially in hospitality, you could go anywhere. And so, people were also intrigued that I was from the Caribbean and so they always wanted to talk to me about that, the resorts experiences. So, so yes, but I, I worked really, really hard so that I can show myself approved and I can, you know, be a natural shoe in for the next thing I was looking at.
[00:14:17] Paula: I love that. I love the fact that you said you were looking for the next opportunity to showcase your excellence and your brilliance. You didn’t feel that anything should be handed over to you, you felt you had to work for it. You proved yourself, obviously. Okay. Okay. Okay. The holiday Inn. I remember too, that that was the hotel.
[00:14:42] Jacquel: There were so many songs about the Holiday Inn, rap songs, everything.
[00:14:50] Paula: That is true, that is so true. So now you’ve been in the United States, this is your new home.
[00:14:56] Jacquel: Yes.
[00:14:57] Paula: Or you consider yourself, I have some guests who say I have two homes. I have the United States and wherever I was born. So would that be you?
[00:15:06] Jacquel: I mean, yes to some extent, but where do I really live? So if you’re honestly asking me where I live, I do live here because I don’t want to count the two times I go to Jamaica each year as oh, okay. So when I say, though, I’m going home here means yes, to my house here and Hey, if I’m talking to different people, it’s, I’m going home back to Jamaica if they know I’m flying there, I referred to Jamaica as home because we still have our home there. So, yeah, because that’s my home country.
[00:15:39] Paula: Okay. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. Yeah, I get that too. It’s interesting because I’ve got two homes, Nigeria and the Caribbean. We’re all immigrants here. We are talking as immigrant women and has living in the United States exceeded your expectations or, I’ve had a few guests who will say,” yes, but I still, at the end of, as I get older, I pee more and more. I want to go back home.” Would that be you? Back home meaning back to your country of birth.
[00:16:18] Jacquel: You know, there are different factors that are playing now in my life, so it’s funny, my husband and I talk about that all the time. In fact, right now he says to me,” you’re the only one keeping me here. I would move to Jamaica right now.” but he did quickly change back his tune because one of the things that I normally talk about is because my purpose now is, my purpose is so much bigger than I am. If I were just here and say,” I’m creating a life for myself, I’m going to make it then I’m going to retire and go back home and live there and live really well.” then that will be all fine, you know, but as you know, you and I have talked about, I do have a non-profit as well that God’s really called me to in addition to my business and this nonprofit serves largely Jamaica, some communities here in Georgia. So when I look at the vision God has for that, I need to be here to make it happen and it’s all about resources. So what’s going to happen though is, just by default, I’m probably gonna, we’re probably gonna end up living in Jamaica half the time, as we build out different infrastructures, like, our first rural community center, we’re looking to start building out next summer, praying for the resources to do that. But we already have land that was donated. So yes, I will be there a lot more and more as we implement various programs but I think I do need the relationships here, the resources here in the US to continue to make that happen. So I wouldn’t see myself fully living back there and retiring or anything like that. There is no retiring in my book, right. Even if I stopped working as an entrepreneur, this nonprofit is going to carry on and on, eventually I’ll be working in it a hundred percent. So half my time there, half my time in the US that would probably be the end scenario.
[00:18:18] Paula: So you, you have defined your purpose and your, your you’re living your purpose, or what can tell us, accomplishing the purpose that you’ve been called for
[00:18:31] Jacquel: EXactly. Yes.
[00:18:33] Paula: Yes. Yeah. So you’ve mentioned in addition to the nonprofit, you have another
[00:18:38] Paula: business.
[00:18:39] Jacquel: Yes. So I have my nonprofit, my nonprofit. Pretty much the resources we get, which is not a lot financially. We get tons of other resources. I don’t really, as a founder, I’m an executive director and really get paid by my nonprofit.
[00:18:56] Jacquel: After all this time, everything we get, we put it into trying to help Jamaica, especially the school system communities and, uh, other resources here. So I need to work. We all have bills to pay. And I know I’ve got a great husband, but also, you know, my purpose is two fold. It’s overall serving through my nonprofit, serving others by transforming, you know, schools communities.
[00:19:26] Jacquel: But the second part of my purpose is through entrepreneurship where God has set in my purpose on fire, where I’m doing all these things fully, that I want. He is called me to. I have joy, passion and fulfillment about it. And he said, you know what? I’ve set your purpose on fire, and I want you to do that for others.
[00:19:45] Jacquel: And so through my business, what I do is I help kingdom minded, aspiring entrepreneurs or professionals discover, ignite, and launch your true kingdom, calling, you know, with influence and impact. So whether someone says, I want to launch a big. I have launched a businesses so I can walk them through the process, find out exactly what they want to set up.
[00:20:09] Jacquel: We get it set up and we launch it. So we’re doing all this in 90 days and it is done and done. There is no more wishing hope in planning, praying, maybe next year we’re getting it. The same, I’ve launched a nonprofit. So if somebody, their calling is to launch a nonprofit, I walk that journey with them, help them, get it, set up, get it launched if they wanted to do yes.
[00:20:35] Jacquel: I want to use my experiences and expertise to coach people and transform their lives. I help them set up their online course and coaching program. So all of those things I’ve done, I’m also an author as well. So someone wants guidance in writing their book and how to tell their story. It’s all about serving people and transforming lives.
[00:20:56] Jacquel: I want everyone that comes in contact with me to be positively impacted in some way. And so when I’m doing it through my nonprofit or my business, that is actually the end goal.
[00:21:09] Paula: You are an amazing woman. What’s going through my mind is. Purpose your purpose is non-profits, but also for-profit the for-profit is to help and entrepreneurs discover they own purpose through whatever business that they have and you feel, or, you know, that you’re called to help them achieve that.
[00:21:37] Paula: Yeah. Cause you said that the nonprofit is great, but you got to be live in a world where you have
[00:21:42] Paula: money.
[00:21:43] Jacquel: Yes, yes. And they both, they both help each other. Yes. There’s some
[00:21:48] Jacquel: intersectionality there. We spoke about the business, but tell me the name of it again. It’s kingdom.
[00:21:56] Jacquel: So the name of my business is actually called the J Tucker group and under the J Tucker group, because under my company that J.
[00:22:06] Jacquel: I also do training branding, just different aspects of business, but I do have a coaching program under that called my purpose on fire. Actually, let me see that again. My purpose on fire and what that does is it’s very specific because in 90 days it takes someone from start to launch or from discovery to launch.
[00:22:33] Jacquel: Because under my company, there are people approach me and say, oh, I need you to build my website out. Or can you just help me with branding? Cause they already have their things set up. And yeah. So I do, I do help them to do that. I’ve also trained hotels under my former hospitality consulting company. So I still, you know, I’m open to doing that now under the J Tucker group, I trained them in sales customer service. Leadership.
[00:22:58] Jacquel: So I’ve trained on property regional like conferences. That’s also a big part of my background, so I’m very comfortable doing all that. So yeah. My purpose on fire has its own website. My purpose on fire.com.
[00:23:15] Paula: I said, this was an amazing woman. You’re amazing. And ” My purpose on fire is intentional. The name is intentional.
[00:23:26] Jacquel: Yes, absolutely. I would have to say God gave that to me. And the way that came up for this coaching program is after COVID and I’ve served ad served in the community, you know, couple of thousand per month here in the U S Jamaica with, through my tiny nonprofit. He said to him, I said to God, you know, coming into 2021.
[00:23:50] Jacquel: So what is in it for me this year? What is this you’re going to look like? I’ve proven that he could trust me, but I also knew it was time that I got back warrant into entrepreneurial. Because 2020, my hospitality consulting company kind of was shut down because of COVID, you know, what happened with hospitality?
[00:24:11] Jacquel: So I just focus on serving my nonprofit really grew. We provided resources where we were feeding up to 2000 families here in Georgia per month, and we served over 10 communities in Jamaica during the pandemic. And that. My, in that timeframe, my faith was fortified in that fire, I would say. So I really learned to trust God and saw how great he was.
[00:24:40] Jacquel: Like, it didn’t matter how crazy everything was and shut down. It seemed to me out of nowhere, he pulled this amazing, these amazing resources together, and I’m like, trust. And so I said, you know, so who am I now in this time? Like, what is it you want me to do? And the answer was simple. He said, you have really found your purpose.
[00:25:01] Jacquel: You’re really walking through it. You really get it. You’d become purpose on fire. And that’s what I want you to do for other people. I want you to help them find it, launch it, get out there and live in it and not just lukewarm, but get out there and be so immersed and so on fire with this thing, because it’s really.
[00:25:22] Paula: The theme that is running through this whole interview is purpose. And I, and I see that in you, as you were talking, I was taking notes. So hospitality business was hit by COVID, but because you had a purpose in life that was directed to you by. You were able to pivot. I mean, that’s not the word, but it’s kind of encompasses what I’ve tried to say.
[00:25:50] Paula: You know, one door closed, but another one opened more. Yes, yes. Your purpose and your purpose, as you said, do you mean you are able to serve, you served people through having during the COVID you are able to give meals to people. And I guess in. Even seven by given news to people. I mean, you put people to work or people volunteered on the, you
[00:26:20] Paula: know, yes.
[00:26:22] Paula: People and the volunteers weren’t many. And what is, this was, these were 30 pound boxes of food from the USDA. They would provide 18 wheelers to my organization and others. And so. Basically, it would be everything a family needed from meat. So whether it’s chicken or meatballs, milk, cheese, eggs, you know, potatoes, veggies, everything was in that box.
[00:26:47] Jacquel: So when a family took that box, say a family of four , probably serve them for like three days. So then with Jamaica, it was shipping non-perishable food and. Hygienic items, you know, just different things like that. School supplies, all the basics that they needed at the time, you know, clothing like undergarments, so on and so forth.
[00:27:11] Paula: Impressive. I mean, I love the fact that you knew your purpose and your purpose has been on hold. In a way that it was co I mean, you were called to do it. So Jacquel’s purpose is not my purpose. And that’s something that I talk about with, you know, young people that everyone needs to know what their purpose is, because if you’re looking at, you know, Jane and you’re seeing how well she’s doing, I, or you’re looking at John and seeing how well he’s doing, that’s their purpose many times, right.
[00:27:41] Paula: If you try and do it, you may not do as well.
[00:27:43] Paula: You know?
[00:27:46] Paula: Yeah,
[00:27:46] Jacquel: You will, you will fall short.
[00:27:51] Paula: Yes. Yes. And that’s important to know because there are many unhappy people doing good stuff, but because they’re not walking in the purpose that they’ve been called to walk in.
[00:28:02] Jacquel: Yes. I love that. You said that that’s excellent.
[00:28:06] Jacquel: That is so spot on.
[00:28:08] Paula: I’ve been talking about that for a while, you know, and it takes time sometimes. So. That’s just not your purpose. So, you know, beating yourself up and saying I’m not good enough. Nope. You’re good enough for what you have to do that and do it well.
[00:28:26] Jacquel: Exactly.
[00:28:28] Paula: So at the expense of using this word 50 million times, I am so impressed by the amazing woman I’m speaking to.
[00:28:36] Paula: I want to ask you, do you think that your success has been through. Awesome. Something else.
[00:28:45] Jacquel: Absolutely not luck. Um, you know, I think for me, when I think of the word luck luck is if you went and played the lotto, you know, you might get lucky or the slot machines. But, uh, when I look at my life, I’m thinking, what I think is a God has a direct plan for me.
[00:29:05] Jacquel: He knows my beginning of mine and he’s written my story. And so it’s a, it’s a journey. And all it is really is being able to be in tune and listen so that I can be in alignment with where he’s taking. I haven’t always, I don’t, I haven’t listened to all the time, which is sometimes when we don’t do that, it just takes us longer to get to where he wants us.
[00:29:30] Jacquel: But when we listened, He could move us faster. Right. And then we learned some lessons there in the process that helps us, you know, in the long run. But a lot of that’s been working hard to just understand that. That I have to have a vision, a goal. It, I never enter into a situation. It’s just that situation for itself, whether it’s a job or anything, I’m always like, so if I do this, where is it going?
[00:30:01] Jacquel: How is it going to help me in the bigger picture of things? So I like to think things through, and that, that does help me. So say for example, and I’ll share this with anybody. Say, for example, if you’re looking at your next. You need to look beyond that. And so it helps you make that make a better decision, because now you’re going to say, okay, if I take this job or this position, and I really want to become this, how is this going to help me get there?
[00:30:26] Jacquel: You know, are they going to help train me? Will there be additional opportunities so on and so forth. So you start thinking bigger now and you start making better decisions for the good of your overall. And so your time is worth it. Your life is worth it because you don’t want to go sit in somewhere 3, 4, 5 years and say, well, I thought they were going to help and promote me and all of these things and train me well, um, come to realize that’s not the place that does that, or they’ll tell you, oh, we didn’t know you wanted all that.
[00:31:00] Jacquel: We don’t do that here. You know? So we have to, you know, God’s given us authority and some amount of control. Um, when he tells us to do certain things. So we’ve just got to believe that believe in his plan for our lives and just know that none of this is just by chance we choose. And we make decisions that bring us in alignment with what the story he’s already written for us.
[00:31:27] Paula: What can I say to that? But amen,
[00:31:31] Jacquel: amen sister,
[00:31:33] Paula: uh, that I love the fact, especially for young people. When you are in a job or when you’re looking for a job, look beyond that. So for what else do you want to do so that you walk or you work in concordance with that? You know, so as you rightfully said, jackass so that when two, three years, or even two, three months, I’ve gotten.
[00:31:59] Paula: You realize that, oh my gosh, this is what I really want. But if you never expressed it, or if you didn’t voice it out, they wouldn’t know. So if you know what, where you want to go, it’s easier to get there by realizing it. So all good things have to come to an end. Fortunately, can you tell us where you can be contacted?
[00:32:22] Jacquel: Yes online. Um, of course I am social media. I’m on Facebook. You could just look me up. Um, my name is Jack. Hell Tucker. I’m on Instagram as well. I’m on LinkedIn as well. And then also my website. So I think the best way to contact me would be going to. My purpose on fire.com. Um, you’ll be able to, you know, shoot me an email or a message.
[00:32:49] Jacquel: Um, and then also our, my non-profit is the Jamaica project USA. So it’s WW dot T H E. And I normally say that because people ignore the B it’s, the Jamaica project, usa.org. So you can also learn more about my nonprofit and if you wanted to get involved in some way, We go on mission trips to Jamaica in the future.
[00:33:13] Jacquel: Starting next year, we’re looking to start building our first rural community center. So whichever way you’d like to get involved with that, we’re always looking, not just for donations, but also for volunteers as well. People with our hard, um, not just for Jamaica, but a heart for helping others. And you know, if you would like to go with us, certainly reach out to me about that as well.
[00:33:36] Jacquel: Or if you’re hearing the. And want to serve with us here in Georgia USA
[00:33:40] Paula: thank you.
[00:33:42] Paula: Thank you. I said it one amazing woman. Thank you. Jacquel I have been bowled over. I had spoken with you before, but I didn’t know all of this.
[00:33:58] Jacquel: Thank you so much for the opportunity, Paula. Like I said, you have an incredible platform. It’s been amazing being here with you and also, uh, I’m sure, you know, listening in the you’re sharing with your viewers about your story. So looking forward to getting to know you more and 20, 22 amazing year amazing success for your show.
[00:34:20] Jacquel: So I’m praying and great expectation for God, you know, for that.
[00:34:26] Paula: Thank you. Amen without Him, I don’t know where I would be. That’s true.
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