South Africa to The UK

[00:00:00] Paula: Welcome to “Chatting With The Experts”. A podcast for immigrant women from Africa and from the Caribbean, who have relocated to the UK, the US, Canada or even Australia. My guest today is a fellow African sister Leigh Huxley, who lives on the works in the UK. Where in the UK Leigh?
[00:00:36] Leigh: In the Northwest.
[00:00:38] Paula: In the Northwest. Leigh is originally from South Africa and moved to the UK some time ago. And with that, let me ask her to tell you all about herself. Why she came to the UK in the first place. So Leigh welcome to “Chatting With The Experts”
[00:00:58] Leigh: Paula, thank you. Thank you for having me on your show. Well, I was born and bred in South Africa and at the age of 33, my son was a year old. My then husband got expatriated with his corporate company to the UK. So it was something I’d always wanted to do. So I had sold my business in South Africa when I had my son, because I didn’t think I’d be able to be a mum. And so I, so that has been taken care of already. And I had a few clients that I was still doing, but you know, it wouldn’t be, it wasn’t such an impact on me personally I was just enjoying being a mum. And so, I thought, yeah, you know it’s something he wants to do. But it was out of the ordinary in as much as we came over to the UK as expatriates. But we weren’t ever going to be repatriated. So it was like a one-way tickets out. So that’s how I ended up in the UK. We were supposed to stay down south, lived down there as six months, I think it was into us living down south. He got moved to the Northwest, hence Northwest at that time it was Chester. Now where I currently am with my second marriage, I’m just outside of Chester. So if anybody’s familiar with the words or the cities of Liverpool, Manchester, or the term, the whirl or Chester, we in that kind of triangle.
[00:02:44] Paula: Okay. And you said something, you said you moved to the UK without any intention of being repatriated. So it was intentional?
[00:02:52] Leigh: We were aware of it. Yeah. We were aware of it and we were happy to roll with it and see where it took us.
[00:03:00] Paula: All right, great, great. Your formal education, I noticed primary and secondary education was done in South Africa, correct?
[00:03:09] Leigh: Yeah, it was. And yeah, I was born in the north of the country. So for people who may or may not know a small town east of, I think it’s east of Johannesburg. So I know all the city’s names have changed a lot since I left there. But I think Johannesburg is still known as Johannesburg. So I did my primary, some part of my primary schooling in Springs, and then we moved to the west of Johannesburg to a place called Krugersdorp. And then that was when my dad went into the ministry, so I was nine. And then when I was 13, we moved to the coast to port Elizabeth. And that’s when I met my then husband at a very tender age of 15 and got married at a very tender age of 19 and moved to Durbin.
[00:04:02] Paula: Wow. You were young. It was a very tender age, of 19.
[00:04:09] Leigh: I thought nothing of it.
[00:04:11] Paula: Wow.
[00:04:14] Leigh: To unpack it a little bit. I’m one of four children, but I’m a very late child. So I grew up on my own, like an only child. So my parents were much older. They’re not old in terms of timelines now. But when I was born, my mom was 41 and my sisters were 18 and 19 and my brother’s 13 and a half. So, and they all got married young. So I didn’t, I thought nothing of it. I was quite, I was very mature as a result of being brought up in a very, very adult environment. And so for me that was the next step. My husband was, then my husband was five years older than me. So, which is still young for a man. But, yeah, he was in his twenties.
[00:05:06] Paula: So, I was like doing the math. He was like 24.
[00:05:08] Leigh: Yeah.
[00:05:09] Paula: That’s young.
[00:05:10] Leigh: It’s still young Yeah, but it’s not as young as me.
[00:05:17] Paula: But then you said your siblings got married early. So you probably, even though you were the last of your siblings, you probably had a lot of nieces and nephews who were kind of like, they were your age.
[00:05:28] Leigh: Yeah. My eldest sister. So she got married when I was six months old. So her eldest is two years younger than me and her second, four years younger than me. And then my second sister got married when I was two. And her oldest is four years younger than me and our next one is six years younger than me. So, yeah. So I grew up, initially they were, they lived fairly locally to us, but then you know, things change and they moved far away. So it would just be family gatherings around Christmas and school holidays and that. So, yeah. But they were funny stories. My mom and my oldest sister, when myself and my oldest niece were young, apparently they were in an elevator and there was a curious person looking at us and trying to figure out if we were twins and then said, “are they twins”? And to by mother’s delight or my sister’s delight, I don’t know which one was, no, this one’s that one’s auntie. Because I was small for my age and she was big for her age.
[00:06:43] Paula: So for all you know, they might, that person might have thought that your mom was being sarcastic. Like yeah, yeah can’t you tell or something of the sort.
[00:06:51] Leigh: Yeah, I don’t know. But I just remember that story being, amused them obviously. I mean it went over our heads. Yeah.
[00:07:03] Paula: So tell me more about being a minister’s daughter. Your dad was in the ministry, and you said. So you moved often every four years?
[00:07:13] Leigh: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It, I mean it was often. But in my mind lifespan, it wasn’t too much. The biggest impact was when he went into the ministry. Because my lifestyle, well all of our lifestyles radically changed. So I was nine when that happened. So I had to relinquish my passion of ballet and wanting to be a ballerina. And I was just about to go onto my toes, and so. I understood that they couldn’t afford it because everything went down to affordability. And so I, as I said, I was emotionally mature, I understood it, I accepted it. But yeah, I was sad. And then moving out and having to make new friends, and going to a new school, and navigating that. And then at the age of 13, he could move to a second post, which was done at the coast. And that was more of an impact because of the age. And then also in the educational system, they were, I don’t know what it’s like now. But when I was at school, every province had a different education board and system. And so I moved from one to another. And I didn’t move at the start of the year, I moved second term into a year into high school, a new high school.
[00:08:41] Paula: Second term into a new high school, that’s drama.
[00:08:46] Leigh: In a different, my education that I was receiving didn’t match where they were in the syllabus at all. I had lots of gaps.
[00:08:56] Paula: Oh, my word. Oh my word. And I’m just thinking back, I mean, how much help did you get with that? Or you were told, just get on with it, fit in and keep moving.
[00:09:07] Leigh: Pretty much, yeah. I don’t recall. I mean, the scene that stands out in my mind is being so moving into the second high school at the age I was going in. I just turned 14 if I think about it. Because I’d done one year tasks school in the north, so that was 13, so 14. So, was, yeah, getting introduced to this class now, bearing in mind that the friendships had already developed, you know, because they had already had one year in the high school together and they’d found their things. And the scene that comes to mind is standing in front of the class being introduced as the new minister’s daughter. And you can imagine, you know, that the response was like deathly silent. I wasn’t just the new girl, I was a minister’s daughter. So there was always a lot of behind the scene nickering or if they were telling jokes or you know, being rude as that age group can be. I was told that I couldn’t listen because I was a minister’s daughter and, you know, everybody’s conditionings around what a ministers daughter should look like do / be there was that. And then the other really difficult dynamic on top of all of that, was once I hit puberty I developed acne.
[00:10:46] Paula: Oh, no.
[00:10:48] Leigh: And I struggled with that for 30 years of my life, pretty much constantly. So yeah, that was a whole other dynamic to visibility. So I had all this going on. But I just remember kind of just cracking on doing the best I could. I, fortunately, I wasn’t one of those girls that needed to fit in.
[00:11:12] Paula: Okay.
[00:11:12] Leigh: I was happy with a small friendship group, a small intimate friendship group. I didn’t need to fit in. I wasn’t a popular girl, I was never the It girl. I was never going to be the it girl. And I was okay with that. And then I think also growing up as an only child, I had to spend a lot of time on my own. So you get very comfortable with your own company. And you get quite resourceful in keeping yourself occupied and following your own interests.
[00:11:46] Paula: Yeah. And I’m sure that came in handy when you moved ?
[00:11:51] Leigh: It did
[00:11:52] Paula: Yeah, because immigrating or moving to a new country can be tough.
[00:11:57] Leigh: Yeah.
[00:11:58] Paula: So, as you said, you were used to not, you’re used to being different. And so moving to the UK, you were different. And as always, you weren’t, because I guess until you spoke, people wouldn’t really know that.
[00:12:12] Leigh: Yeah. Yeah. Hang on. Yeah. Well, that’s a dead giveaway isn’t it? The accent. And you get different, funny responses around the accent. People here in the U, nine times out of 10.I if it’s not somebody who’s used to interacting with me, if they hear me speak for the first time and they figure out that I’m south African, they say, where are you from? Are you from South Africa? Am like yeah, “oh, I love your accent”. So it’s quite, people here lack the accent, which I could never figure out because to me it’s not the nicest accent at all. But yeah, so that was always interesting to me. But the biggest surprise to me came with was, yeah, being Caucasian. So, you know, it’s then you going to the UK, which is, you know, you interacting in that paradigm and yeah you’ve got a different accent. But there was, they were way more differences, more differences than similarities. Strange things would come up. And this was all I noticed in the first month of coming here. And just to go back a little bit, I had traveled out the country so that wasn’t new. I hadn’t traveled with my son up the country, so that was new. But my then husband had come across to the UK quite a few times ahead of me to organize things. And so for him, it was more familiar. And for me, climbing off the plane with the toddler, well, he wasn’t even walking then he was a year old, I guess he was still a baby. And driving in the taxi from the airport, I was like, it was the strangest feeling because I thought this is surreal. I don’t know where I’m going, but I feel totally okay with it. And just watching that. But then often moving from the hotel into sort of a semi permanent place to live before everything else started. The strangest things were, obviously, although we still drive on the same side of the road, so that wasn’t a problem and you speak the same language, so that wasn’t a problem. And in terms of the color of your skin, that was the same. So that wasn’t the. But they were, it was the languaging around things. Like when you talking with people, you notice it. You’re in South Africa, traffic lights are called robots and roundabouts in the UK, and they are a lot here, and very few in South Africa. Roundabouts in South Africa are called circles. So it was the sort of languaging that, yeah, you would be in automatic mode and then it would come out and somebody will look at you with a blank face and you think they don’t know what I’m talking about. And then you’ve got to kind of retract and think, okay, right, let’s reframe that. So there was a lot of that going on. And then also strange things for months, I was too scared to put petrol in the car. Because in South Africa, when you pulled up to services to petrol station, as we towed it, they were attendants who filled your car for you, all you had to say is full up please and they would wash your windscreen and sometimes they would check your tires. None of that happened here, so I was like, “oh my goodness”. Okay. I’m not going to be doing this because what happens if I do something wrong and these are petrol in my car explodes. And then one day I was in the car with my then husband and he was filling up and everything. I was like, and I’ll watch this little old lady, like little, little old lady, maybe in her eighties, crawl out the car and put her fuel in. And I was like, just get a grip of yourself, if she can do it you can do it. And so that was the nudge I needed. Yeah, they were all these funny things and then.
[00:16:34] Paula: It’s interesting that, your observations or, you know, how things were different in terms of language, or even like, you know. You mentioned that when you pulled up to the gas station, the self with self serve, petrol or gas, as we say here. I kind of experienced that too. I’ll tell you how. I mean, that was my problem too. I was used to pulling up to the gas station and somebody filling up gas for me. They hadbservice attendance at that time. I’ve lived in Nigeria for some years, then I’ve lived in the Caribbean. But we had people do that for us. So that was an adjustment. And for me coming to the states. Well I had visited many times and in the Caribbean, you kind of have a mixture of the British and the American things. But things like elevator in America it’s “lift” in England, or a truck is a lorry. And so those things I have to think of, and I remember the first time I was doing a driving test and they said, what did they call the pavement, they meant the road to me that’s the asphalt. But pavement in England is the sidewalk in America. I mean, pavement in England is the sidewalk.
[00:17:56] Leigh: Yeah, yes it is. Now, that was the same terminology for that sort of thing. But it is, it’s a whole, even though you speaking the same language, it’s a whole new languaging system.
[00:18:12] Paula: Yes.
[00:18:13] Leigh: That you use. I know, what was it? Oh, I’m not going to get this right, was to do with underwear. Yeah. In South Africa, it’s panties, but in the UK it’s Knickers. They didn’t know what I meant.
[00:18:40] Paula: You know, that’s interesting you say so because like in England and at least in Nigeria trousers.
[00:18:48] Leigh: Yeah. That’s the other one.
[00:18:48] Paula: And pants, you know. And in Nigeria pants mean underwear.
[00:18:54] Leigh: Yes. It’s similar.
[00:18:55] Paula: And so when you be like, yeah. And some people will be shocked that you talking about, you know, oh, I’m going to wear my pants. It’s like, oh, I bought some pants yesterday. Oh my gosh. It’s not what you talk about in public.
[00:19:13] Leigh: Yeah. It is. We thought innocently going, meaning something totally different. Yeah, it is. And it’s, I think it’s the day-to-day things that you kind of trip up on because they just, yeah. If it were more formal setting, I think you’d be more conscious of thinking before you speak. But in everyday language, if you’re communicating to somebody serving you at the cash, at the, in the supermarkets, it’s a more casual and that’s where the little blank looks come in.
[00:19:52] Paula: Yes. And you know this boils down to the fact that we are at the end of the day we are all people. Because like I remember when I came to the states for the first time, and I’m not sure how it’s done in South Africa, but I know how it was done in England. And a lot of the British speaking countries where you have value add VAT, right? Value added tech. So if someone, if something costs $10, you hand them $10 and that’s it. But in America, they sale sales tax, that’s different from the price. So if something is $10, you need to walk with, in those days we didn’t use credit cards like that. So you have to walk with some extra money, you know, because they’re going to add sales tax. So it will be $10 and 75 cents or something like that. And I remember my sister and I go into a store and we bought something. I mean, it was 10, just to make it easy, it was $10. And the cashier is looking at us like, okay, so some more money. I mean,but you said the $10 and she’s almost like duh. But their sales tax, you know, and you realize, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That’s comes down to exposure and, you know, being aware and realizing that, you know, every country has a different system. Things that work one way in one country doesn’t necessarily work the same with another. And being open to open minded to the change. Because when I remember when moving back to Nigeria. It was a predominantly black country and I’ve lived in different parts of the Caribbean where you had. Like, I lived in Guyana and there were like six races there, you know? So I’ve lived in places where you have multiple races. But because for me now coming, going to Nigeria where it was predominantly black, it was really great to see black people succeeding, black people owning property. Black people competing in school excellence and popularity. Popularity was based on how well you did in school, and everybody was aspiring to be the best, you know? And so there wasn’t a negative connotation for anything that is black, but it was like positive. We’re going to make this happen. We’ve got to excel, we got a family that we need to be proud of. And it was the same in the Caribbean too. So that was going to be a question I was going to ask you. So how did you adjust from coming from South Africa to Britain where, you know, there was not apartheid or you know, even though there is racism there. But it’s not like it was in South Africa.
[00:22:24] Leigh: Well, for me, apartheid, I was growing up. So I was in my formative years when it was at a time. Obviously the system changed, but I’ve always been, so for me growing up it was confusing. Because I remember clearly as a little girl walking down the street on the pavement, holding my mom’s hand and the black people having to walk on the other side of the road. And if we come up, if they came across us, they would move over. And I remember asking my mom about that, and she just said, well, sadly, that’s the rules, and I thought that’s hard. Or for public toilets, they weren’t allowed to use public toilets. I was like, yeah, but mum, what happens if you need the toilet, you know. She says, no, they would, if they got caught, they would be fined or, I don’t know what the policy was then. But I just felt strange and always seeing the signs when I could read saying, you know, whites only. And I just, it doesn’t ever sit right for me, because I thought that’s just unfair. So, yeah, it was strange going back to fitting in, you talking about different cultures or different races within the same system. That was, I think that’s also helped me to adapt because South Africa is very much melting part. I mean, things have changed. I haven’t been back to the country for 10 plus years, so I don’t know, other than speaking with friends, I haven’t had personal experience. And I’m sure things have changed a hang of a lot since we left. And we did used to visit every year because we were deemed expatriates. So we had that privilege. But obviously when I left my husband and he left the corporate world, that all came to an end. So the last time I was in there was when my dad passed away in 2010. So, but going back to my experience, it was a melting pot. You had the blacks, you had the whites, you had the colors, you had the indians. And then within the whites, you had the Portuguese, you had the Italians, you had the Jewish. Oh, what else? I can’t think. But the English, you know, they were melting, they would, it’s a melting pot. So I, and the schools I went to, I went to Catholic schools in my primary years. And there were because Catholicism is, you know, with the Portuguese and the Italians and the Greeks. Actually I don’t know, like the Greeks weren’t included then cause they not tend to be Catholicism. They tend to be Greek Orthodox, but I will say Greek friends. So, and then the Germans. So,they’ve all, it’s such a melting pot that you, I had friends from different cultures and I really loved that. I love that experience. So for me coming over and meeting again in the expected community, different people from different countries. I loved learning about them and understanding why they were there. And yeah, so I didn’t find it difficult. I was able to adapt quite easily. And we had that within the congregation as well, you know, we had different people from the Netherlands or wherever. So I was quite happy just to be fluid and just to go with the flow, which helped enormously.
[00:25:55] Paula: Okay. So
[00:25:57] Leigh: I don’t know if I answered your question though. Probably not.
[00:26:01] Paula: I think you did to an extent. Because I think what I was hearing is that, well being a minister’s daughter, the congregation was multicultural. But I also heard that South Africa was a melting pot. What was interesting to me is that because I think because I am Nigeria or I am black, I tend to think about South Africa from of course that angle. And so to hear you say, within the Caucasian, among the white population, there was distinction between the different countries, you know. Who was from England, who was from the Netherlands, who, which I guess those were the Afrikaans.
[00:26:42] Leigh: Well that the Africans are born and bred south Africans, but they origins are the Netherlands. That’s the origin of their culture and their language. But obviously the Afrikaans is South African. Yeah, cause it, yeah, you’ve also got, and that’s changed a lot as well. But when I was growing up, it was the Afrikaans and English.
[00:27:06] Paula: Right, I remember that.
[00:27:09] Leigh: Yeah, that was a very clear distinction. Yeah. Very clear. And it’s all the in the schooling system you had to learn to, you know, to graduate from the schooling system. You had to pass both English and Afrikaans as your languages to get your schooling. So,that was a big thing, yeah. So, yeah, it’s interesting but then with also within the black communities, huge melting pot with all the different tribes.
[00:27:40] Paula: Yeah.
[00:27:40] Leigh: You know whithin each province, there was a rulling, well not a ruling, an inverted commerce tribe. Like in Durbin, our last place, the Zulus were the rulling tribe.
[00:27:53] Paula: Because they were the biggest, the dominant tribe correct ?
[00:27:55] Leigh: In that province. But in port Elizabeth, which was the place where I went to my second high school, it was the closet with the ruling in inverted commerce tribes, yeah so. And then also a big Chinese presence in port Lizabeth with huge Chinese presence. Whereas in Durbin, there was more of an Indian presence, Asian. Yeah.
[00:28:25] Paula: That’s interesting, but I shouldn’t not be totally surprised considering the proximity to Asia, you know. When you think about, like when I went to Australia, I was shocked to see the, you know, a high population of Asians. And then I would have to go back and look geographically. Yeah, I go to look geographically and like, why am I surprised? I mean, Australia is in the Pacific, well Southern Pacific. And so not surprisingly they’re not too far from Asia. Yeah.
[00:28:57] Leigh: Yeah, yeah. But until you’ve traveled to these countries, you don’t realize the influences. Yeah.
[00:29:06] Paula: Yeah, the proximity, and, you know. And the thing is, you know, most times when you think about Africa, people think about black Africa and forgetting that Africa is a huge continent. You’ve got Nothern Africa where you have like, the Arabic people, then you’ve got, you know, Sub-Saharan Africa where you have more of the black race. And then Southern Africa, well of course, the people, it’s predominantly black. But I mean, South Africa per se, you know, because of the colonization, yeah. But then there are those adjacent islands, the Madagascar where you have a big influence with a lot of Asians mixing with the local people with black Africans. And so it’s really very amazing you know.
[00:29:57] Leigh: It just you talking about black people being associated with South Africa. We had a funny experience, my ex-husband. We went on a church trip to Eastern Germany just after the wall came down just as part of an outreach. Anyway, and we did a little bit of a tour, yeah, long story I won’t go into. But at one stage we went to, I think it was Copenhagen. So we had a few days, we went, we traveled by train every way. And we went from wherever we were to Copenhagen. And there were going to be some people hosting us, and we got off the train. I think there were, It was a small group of us, maybe three of us, maybe four. I can’t really remember, this was back in my twenties. And we waited and we waited and nobody turned up and we waited and we waited and we walked around the train station thinking, I dunno, we’ve got the wrong thing or whatever. And then we kept on crossing the same people walking around and walking around them. I think there were two of them, they were like “what’s going on”?. So we basically just sat down and thought, well, this is like an hour has gone by and nobody’s there. And then all of a sudden, these people, same people that we had crossed paths with constantly they said they came to us and they were like, “are you from South Africa”? And we were like, “yeah”, we were looking for black people. And then that’s when there’s that contrast thing. That’s how you know, the Scandinavian countries, that’s what they think of Africa. It’s black. And you know, that’s just the way it is, you can’t read into it. It’s just, that’s what you think, you know. It’s the assumptions that people make. Like we make our own assumptions about other countries and different races just because.
[00:31:53] Paula: We don’t know better many times.
[00:31:55] Leigh: Exactly, yeah.
[00:31:56] Paula: A guest I had said “it’s all about marketing”. How, you know, and America, for example, has done a great job at marketing America to be a place where the land of the free and, you know, opportunities, you know. I mean, you come here and you can live the American dream. Which for the most part is true. But I mean, at the same time there’s poverty here, you know. And as my guests was saying, she was shocked to see a homeless person in Boston because “I’m in America afterall ,everything is gilded in gold. And why should there be poverty?” So it’s the same way, I guess, you know. The media, I was saying to her being African herself, that we have to market Africa differently and open it up so that people can have a better perception of Africa, you know, and see it. First of all, it’s not a country, it’s a continent, yeah. So you hear a lot of people say, you know, I went to Brazil and Peru, I also went to India, and I went to China and I also visited Africa, like, but where? which country? Yeah, so it’s up to us to educate people and we learn. I learn every day.
[00:33:18] Leigh: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And yeah, just different experiences bring about different perspectives.
[00:33:28] Paula: Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, so do you still have family back in South Africa?
[00:33:35] Leigh: I do still have my second sister and my brother.
[00:33:40] Paula: Okay.
[00:33:41] Leigh: But. Yeah, I haven’t been back for 10 years. Actually, didn’t, actually I did get to see, I was going to say I didn’t get to see them, but I did, think it was my dad’s funeral. So yeah, but I still have good friends, but who knows? We will get there sometime, but at the moment it’s not a priority.
[00:34:02] Paula: So, you know, all good things have to come to an end. And I’ve been speaking to Leigh Huxley. Leigh Huxley, who I’m sure you guys heard me say it’s my first white African on this show. And it’s been an eye-opener, I’ve learned some things you know, about, you know, living in South Africa. And, you know, as you said, within the Caucasian group, you have all this stuff, this differenciation between, you know, who’s from which part of Europe. Which we can also relate to because right there in like, when I lived in Nigeria, the different tribes. And I know it’s the same thing in most of the other African countries where it’s not just one people, but not totally homogenous homogenous. And it’s all about perspective. So, Leigh I know you have a business. How can people find you online if they would like to contact you?
[00:35:02] Leigh: At the start of my coaching business. So it’s still a work in progress around launching that in inverted commerce. But I am on social media. So I am on Facebook and, Leigh Huxley. And then Instagram is pretty much a replica of my Facebook. But I elaborate more on posts on my Facebook. And so the Instagram is HuxleyLeigh all one word. So that’s my social media presence at the moment.
[00:35:41] Paula: Which is good. I always say with social media, start off with the one that you feel most comfortable with and then you can build it up, you know?
[00:35:49] Leigh: Well, I only started kind of feeling kind of comfortable with social media last year. So I’m still a newbie to all this. But yeah, I had to really force myself to become visible in some way. So yeah, I’m at grassroots, but I’m contactable there and I’m happy to discuss and explore and answer questions if anybody’s interested in my experiences or quite open to meeting new people.
[00:36:25] Paula: Thank you, thank you, thank you. Right. Is there any question that you wanted me to ask by the way that I didn’t?
[00:36:30] Leigh: No I think you covered everything.
[00:36:34] Paula: All right, for my listeners if you have enjoyed what you just heard from my amazing guest, Leigh Huxley, please head over to Apple podcasts, Google podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts and subscribe to. Also, we would love if you’d follow us, “Chatting With The Experts” on any of those directories. Apple podcasts, Google podcasts, Spotify, or even Amazon that has now joined the podcasting world. And if you are an immigrant woman from Africa or the Caribbean who have moved or relocated to the U S the UK, Canada or Australia and would like to be on this show. Please reach out to me on my website, which is “www.Chatting with experts.com/contact us” and let’s chat. Thank you, Leigh. Thank you.
[00:37:36] Leigh: Thank you, Paula.