Building A Strong Staff

Paula: [00:00:00] Hello and welcome to Chatting With The Experts, the podcast, the live podcast where I speak with fantastic women from Africa, from the Caribbean, and in the diaspora. Our topic today is called Building or Rebuilding Your Team, and my guest, who is an educational excellence speaker and author at Jay Limited LLC, who helps empower and encourage educational leadership in school districts and faith-based communities to lead with purpose and excellence without frustration and burnout, will be joining me.
Her career began over 35 years ago as a elementary teacher and advocate in Minneapolis, Minnesota, and since then, she’s taught in [00:01:00] public, private, charter, and home school settings. She says administrators and educators are always faced with challenges such as absenteeism, budget deficits, and mental wellbeing for staff and students.
But in order to ensure success of school years, she says it is necessary to build or rebuild your team. And with that, I welcome to Chatting With The Experts, Dr. Josiah Jackson
Dr. Josiah. Thank you.
Dr Josiah: Hello, hello.
Paula: Thank you so much for joining us today.
Dr Josiah: Thank you for having me.
Paula: Absolutely. I know you’re a passionate speaker to educators, and you’ve spoken in schools across the country as well. So the floor is yours. Thank you for joining us.
Dr Josiah: [00:02:00] Thank you again for having me, and I’m excited about sharing what goes on in the school system. Some people may not be aware of all the different happenings, um, from concerns and challenges and issues we see today are still happening. Hmm. And I always say to people, “Come in.” you have to find time to stop what you’re doing and show up, to volunteer, uh, or to just see what’s really going on.
And so I always invite… as a teacher and, you know, I’ve worked at leadership as well, I’ve always invited people, “Come see what we’re doing,” you know. Oh, don’t just look at the news. Look behind the scenes and, you know, wonder. Uh, because I sometimes thinks people think it is all roses.
All roses.
Paula: Hmm.
Dr Josiah: And, uh, sometimes it could be, maybe a day or two, but no. We are teaching and training the next generation. And, uh, with so many, uh, challenges that have happened, um, within these past few years, as you mentioned, the budget cuts, challenges of schools closing. Depending on what region or, or, uh, you know, what region of the United States you’re in or even country as well, uh, you know, many schools are [00:03:00] closing.
Some countries don’t have schools. Mm-hmm. And some countries are still dealing with the lack of funds to fund children. And, um, the biggest issue is, is, is… And I think, even as I say this, it’s about public education, and it’s almost getting to the point where it’s beyond being in the building, uh, and that’s what happened really five years ago, the hybrid or distance learning, uh, which actually had been there for years, uh, so it wasn’t anything new.
Maybe more so new for education at that time. But, uh, again, you know, with all of those challenges, it is a challenge for administrators to have a great staff that either stays with them, uh, because sometimes when you have what’s called revolving staff, it’s a little hard to stay consistent on what you’re doing, uh, as far as a successful year.
And as we’re gonna talk about today, it’s really building. How do you build these teams when there’s that inconsistency, where there’s those challenges, where you made the cuts? Um, because within the last few years, many teachers have been laid off, as well as teachers walking out. Uh, education just doesn’t seem to be one of those, uh, areas we focus on, uh, and I wouldn’t say focus on anymore.
We do, or we say we [00:04:00] do, but, um, who’s fighting for us? You know, sometimes I wanna say that. Who’s fighting for us? Because we are educating, uh, children from preschool to college, and, um, you know, we often hear, “Well, if you chose that, then that’s the road you’ve taken, and you deal with everything that comes.”
And we are. We are dealing with everything that comes. So, uh, you know, today we’re really gonna talk about how do we build a team through all of those challenges, those, uh, moments where you, you show up, and you’re expecting to have, um, the fairytale classroom. Every student says yes. Mm-hmm. Uh, you know, they come neat.
And I laugh sometimes ’cause, yeah, in some places, yes, that could actually happen, and it does happen. But, many of our public schools that are going through these challenges are some of our city schools. So here in the United States, a lot of our city schools are going through these challenges.
And then when you go to other countries, they have the challenges of children getting to a certain age where they don’t have the funding, um, after a certain age, maybe 10, 11, and 12, and those children can’t go to school. And so they have to have parents, or someone support them. Again, just honing in on the team, from [00:05:00] administrator to teacher.
Um, again, some schools in other countries may not have, you know, we call, uh, the administrator a principal, where some other countries, the main person’s the master teacher or teacher, even the term teacher. And you know, whether you’re in the United States or out of the United States, school…
And not just school, it’s education. That is really the importance of where we have to encourage each other, the importance of education.
So I wanna say sometimes there’s that, going to that rough side of the mountain. And how that is for many schools. How do you start your school year, and then get to the mid-year to getting to the end of the year? As we were talking earlier, there’s what’s called honeymoon stage.
I love that. And, you know, we have honeymoons for couples. Uh, you know, we hear that all the time. You know, couples get married, they go on a honeymoon. And, uh, I remember the first time I heard it. Like, “Honeymoon? What are we talking about?” And so in education, the honeymoon period’s the beginning of the school year when children come in.
And it’s that three weeks. [00:06:00] And I tell you, it runs smooth just like that. In three weeks, you will get a new student. You may be a new teacher, a new person to them, and after that three weeks, as we say, just everything falls apart. Uh- Well- … not all the time now. Not all the time. But most of the time you may have some child who, you know, because they’re checking you out.
They’re wondering what can they… And here’s what’s interesting. During that stage, or, you know, it’s really three weeks, and it’s, you know, I, I’ve seen it go for three weeks. Um, and I don’t know if we just say it and we have it in our minds, and we make sure it ends in three weeks, but that child is checking you out.
They wanna know what they can get away with. And so sometimes they’re nice, sometimes all their signs won’t show. And when I say signs, um, sometimes they come in, uh, with behaviors that won’t show until after they realize, “What can I get away with? How can I get away with this?”
And so they’re watching you, and you’re watching them to ensure, “Are you following my expectations?” Because that’s what’s going on within this beginning stage. However, at this time of the year, yes, you’ll probably have some students, depending on the size of your class, um, [00:07:00] which is interesting ’cause sizes can run from 15 to about 20, 28 kids in a classroom, and we’re starting to see that happen again.
And so after you develop those expectations with your, your students, and then others who work with your class, you want to have a smooth year, smooth transition. And, um, again, this is that time of year where you’ve passed the beginning. Uh, you’re not quite in the middle yet, but you’re getting there.
But even in all of that, you’re trying to remain excited as a teacher and, and as an administrator because administrators at the same time going through so much. A lot. From how to, uh, you know, communicate with each other, from, you know, uh, there are those professional development days, meetings.
There’s the school board meetings. There’s conferences. So a lot is still going on. And through all of that, um, you want to try to keep your composure and keep going. But some people call it like a slope. You know, you come in, you’re excited. “Yay, new year!”
And then it starts sliding a little- Oh … because you’ve been there for so long. You’re like Okay, where are we going with this? Um, you know, hoping to still have a [00:08:00] great year. But anyway, how does, uh, you know, administrator communicate with their team, uh, on how to let’s make it through.
I’ve been, I wanna say blessed, yeah, I guess, yeah, blessed to have administrators that know how to keep the team together. Um, Because meetings, what, but I guess a lot of people don’t know, we, we have several meetings, several meetings. And, um, in those meetings, how do you keep grade level teams together, and the whole team, staff team together?
One, it’s communicating. How do we communicate? Because I had been, I wanna say, I think I had at least one principal one time have, uh, or at least I worked for one that, um, didn’t do well with managing the team, but, but I have seen it work well. And the way it works well is you have to gather your team members, everyone, um, you know, try to encourage them.
Try to look for, you know, ’cause sometimes you’ll have what’s called the weakest or the weakest link, and then those who are, you know, at the top, vibrant, busy, who can encourage others. And so you have to really keep a balance there. How do you do that? You know, encourage your team all the time, of those coming in, or if they’re weak, then you’re encouraging them by, um, like some administrators I’ve [00:09:00] seen do games.
You know, have these games do something fun, what they call, the breaking ice moments, just to break up the, you know, depending on what the day was or, you know. Because everyone, uh, you know, and it’s amazing ‘ cause even at this part of the year, everyone gets tired, um, just from working with children who are not listening, who, um, because a lot, they have a lot of transition.
What most people probably still don’t know either is, you know, when you have a class full of at least 20 different minds, that’s a lot. So you’re taking care of already a lot as the teacher. Then as the principal or administrator, another 500 minds. So that’s a lot. And so how do you keep your composure?
How do you stay abreast? How do you stay up, you know, in communicating and making sure that everybody is doing well to get through the year? Because again, you know, we often say to each other, “The main thing is survive. Get through the day, survive.” If you, if you can survive the day, you come back, you do the next thing.
Surviving is the moment, right? You know, the, the, the talk of the day, surviving.
Paula: Um- So quick question
Dr Josiah: … so I would just say… Go ahead.
Paula: A very quick question for [00:10:00] you, from me.
So I’ll say it looks like your job is to keep the educators, um, encouraged. In other words, your job is to keep the team. Either you’re building a team of educators and keeping them encouraged and together and cohesive or rebuilding a team, a team that has collapsed or, uh, in some ways become, I don’t wanna use the word dysfunctional in some ways, or, well, become discouraged. I rather that word, discouraged, and your job is to go in there and rebuild them so that they are encouraged to continue in doing the job as educators.
Is that correct? Am I summarizing what your job is?
Dr Josiah: Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yes. Yes. Yes. And, and you said it, you said the word dysfunctional, but in a way it is that, because you have people who have been there, uh, for years, then you have people just coming in, and so sometimes they clash because… especially those who, you know, they feel like they [00:11:00] own the place. It’s kinda like working in corporate where you’ve had people been there for years, and they have this moment of, “I’ve been here. I kinda have the privilege.” So yeah, school works the same way. Uh, some of the school, not all of them, but just depends on who the main team, you know, who is guiding everyone and how are we guiding ourselves.
Who is the leader of the team guiding us together. Because you will have some teams that work well. And that’s just within different grade levels. You have some grade levels where they just don’t work well. They don’t gel. And so how do you push them together even for that year to say, “Hey, we’re all here together.
Whether you know each other or not, we’re going to, you know, make it through.” Um, so absolutely. But, but one way is to do what we call those, those, uh, break the ice moments or icebreakers. Just to get to know everyone, because you never know what people are going through, and so you don’t want, you, you come in as if we’re all new here, you know?
Paula: Okay.
Dr Josiah: Even if you’ve been here for years or you just came in…
Paula: Ah
Dr Josiah: … you know what? We are all here together. Okay. And you act as if, oh, [00:12:00] I’m, you know, this is my first time, too. Um, there’s no, as we, you know, hear the phrase, no big I’s, little you’s. And so we all have to work together, um, using each you know, gift that we have or ability that we have to come together.
So that’s how you build those teams even when they’re… and I wanna say when it’s, when it’s a fresh team, um, because sometimes you, you go into a school where there’s only one or two people that are new. And so, um, everyone else may know each other, but everyone acts as if, you know, we have to get along.
We have to be here for a whole year.
Paula: Is one of the tools therefore, as we mentioned, you come in there to build or rebuild a team, is one of the tools that you employ being one of listening? Because as you said, there are multiple, um, personalities there, and I know listening can be tactic or a tool or one can you where you’re listening to understand or you’re listening to respond.
And with these educators dealing with children from, I’m assuming from all levels. If it’s in the United States, it’s probably [00:13:00] from, um, elementary through high school. Yeah. Um, other parts of the world, I’m not that, I’m not that familiar with other parts of the world any longer. I used to be.
So you may be able to help out with that. But of course, there are different age levels and different grade levels to deal with that. So I guess you’ll be listening to see where, as you said, as far as you’re concerned, whether these personalities have been there for 30 years or one month. As far as you’re concerned, everybody’s new.
What tools do you use to get to listen to see where is the problem? Because you want success. The success of the team is the success of the school and the success of the students, correct?
Dr Josiah: Exactly. And, and so when you say the tools, sometimes it is those, um, I don’t know if you’ve been in a, a meeting or at a group where they would, you know, um, have this sheet of paper with a list of things and they say, “Go find someone who has a sister or a brother or a pet or a favorite color.”
And that gets this group talking. Um, and [00:14:00] again, you know, uh, as in anything, you’re gonna always have the few that may not have any commonality with someone- Mm-hmm … or whether at least one, I’d say at least one thing, and even if it’s not that, but that’s how that communication be, you know, how it gets them together to talk.
Then there’s just the, how is everyone doing?
Paula: Mm.
Dr Josiah: Having those moments, and you talk about listening, absolutely, because there’s some people who are just listeners. There are some who are the communicators. They’ll do all the talking. Mm. Uh, but yeah, it’s, uh, when you’re in a group like that, you, everyone… and again, not everyone, ’cause I, I say everyone, but you know, you’re gonna have someone who’s just gonna be the listener. They just remain quiet, and that’s fine, but they’re listening. And I often tell people, “Don’t assume just because they’re, they’re not participating or talking, uh, uh, you know, who knows what they were going through?”
And so that’s why we always have to remind ourselves, you know, uh, if, if they choose not to talk, that’s okay. But again, that’s how we come. So one tool is, you know, having these, um, activity games, uh, get to know you type games. Mm. Or a conversation where you, you bring up a [00:15:00] scenario. What can, what, you know, we, well, you bring up a scenario and then say, “Get in your group.
How would you solve this?” Um, And you bring up scenarios that will, um- Uh, certainly have everyone talking, uh, or something that will get them to come up with a solution. So that’s one way that you will… So I would say activities that, that bring on a scenario and solution to, you know, at fun games of, of, you know, what people like, um, that would help.
Or sometimes a potluck. Sometimes food is always a big kicker. Brings the world- Try some food. And, and when you talk about different countries, I work, you know, I love it when the staff has come from other, other places ’cause you get to try new food.
Paula: Yeah.
Dr Josiah: And you get to try, you know, not only new food, but, you know, a tradition, and learn about that culture, that family.
And so again, you talk about people, you know, educators in a school. Hopefully there’s you know, others on the team from other places, um, where you get to learn from their culture, and then it helps you do a better job with teaching the children.
Paula: I absolutely love that. So another question I have is that, so as you said, learning from different people, different cultures, [00:16:00] and food.
You can’t go wrong with food. How about celebrating this stuff? I mean, of course, there’s, there are times when, um, there are crises in schools. I mean, yeah. Schools are made up of students. Students these days are they have access to so much more than my generation did, and it’s right there at their fingertips.
So they’re probably presenting in ways that are faster or, you know, th- they’re being exposed to so much. Some is good, some’s good, but some probably is not that good, and you gonna have to be thinking all the time. How do you celebrate the staff who have to be on, you know … they gotta be quick-thinking as well.
Dr Josiah: Absolutely.
It’s interesting you say that because, um, I have been in some schools where we had what’s called um, Culture Day.
Paula: Mm-hmm.
Dr Josiah: And that’s where staff, families, parents, everyone is involved. And I tell you, the minute… Uh, because interestingly, even [00:17:00] the length of time that I’ve been teaching, when I start to see what’s called Culture Day.
Paula: Mm-hmm
Dr Josiah: I’m amazed. Mm. Everybody gets on board.
Paula: Mm.
Dr Josiah: And it’s so interesting because everybody wants to share. And so as we were just talking about how you get people talking in just a regular staff meeting, oh, people like to talk when they… because one, they’re talking about their culture. How often do adults really get to talk about their culture
Paula: Mm
Dr Josiah: in different settings? And so what’s interesting is, um, you know, for the ones who may not talk a lot, you bring up, we’re gonna try to have just a culture day just a meeting itself where, you know, just everyone brings in a food of that culture or, you know, and certainly those who are from that culture.
So absolutely, it’s amazing how many people love, not on- And not just for the food, but they wanna know more, and it gets them excited, and they get to talk about this. So interestingly, you talk about building teams, just I almost wanna say, just have Culture Day every day. You’ll have people talking ’cause now we add food to that.
Now they will bring [00:18:00] food too. So, um, But it’s amazing, uh, because I, I think about here in America how uh, I don’t know if it really sparked as much in years before than it’s sparking now with so many cultures here. Mm. And they’re excited when, you know, they can say, “Hey, we’re gonna talk about my day.
We’re gonna talk about where I come from.” And so I love, I certainly love those moments.
Paula: Uh, I know off-camera you talked about some of the countries you’ve visited. I, I know you visited Tanzania.
Dr Josiah: Yes.
Paula: Ethiopia?
Dr Josiah: Tanzania. Uh, yeah. Okay. I’ve been to Tanzania. Uh, Ethiopia, yes. Uh, Malawi had some friends that, well, we, we didn’t go to Malawi, but we had friends coming from Malawi, and, um, so working with them.
Been to San Juan, uh, Costa Rica.
Paula: Okay .
Dr Josiah: And, um, Dominican Republic. And so there’s just some places… And, and so this is what I love in being an educator, having to see children come through, uh, you know, whether you work with, I’m working with, you know, adults and/or children. It’s great to go to these countries and see where they are.
And so I believe in the opening that was one reason I mentioned the [00:19:00] difference of what we do here in America, having school settings for children at certain ages because I know in a lot of the countries, uh, children, you know, are not in what we call junior high. Or high school. They can go, but they have to pay, where here, it’s free public education.
So yeah, I, and so it’s great to share with them what we do, and then how they can extend, um, helping those teachers, um, in those countries, uh, help with their children and how they can succeed, um, because they have some of the same issues, uh, it’s just, you know. I, I don’t think I, even when I went to those country, I didn’t think they were any different.
But it was, it’s always good to go, when I go to those countries, to go to the, to see what school is like for children, for the teacher. Um, I love, you know, in some of the country, I think it was in Tanzania, where the children would go to class and then go home for lunch, and you know, ’cause they’re, they’re in the area of their, their classes.
And then go back. And so just exciting to, when you go to another country, to see how education is, is growing in other places.
Paula: That’s neat. Yes, yes. I lived in a country for some time where we used to go home for lunch between [12:00] and [1:00], and then go back to [00:20:00] school and continue. And then my parents moved us to a country where we went to school from I think [7:30] to [1:30].
And that was so different, you know? Yeah. But learning, uh, uh, the transition was … I remember we used to talk about it. How do you know you don’t stop for lunch?
Dr Josiah: Yeah.
Paula: Yeah.
Dr Josiah: Exciting. Exciting to see.
Paula: It was. It was. Now, you, I know you, I’ve, I’ve failed to mention in your bio that you authored two books. One was called Come Get These Kids.
Interesting title. It almost was like, “All right, I’m done. Come get your kids.” That’s how I looked at it. And the other one was Show Up With Excellence. Let’s talk about that. Why did you name, I mean, these two books, I haven’t read them. I wish I had. Tell me about that. Come Get These Kids.
Dr Josiah: Right. Uh, so Come Get These Kids, it was written during 2020 when- Oh
the schools shut down. Okay. And [00:21:00] interestingly, growing up, I would, we, I, I don’t know about you, I would hear the comment, “Come get these kids,” and that meant, uh, your children were, were not doing what they’re supposed to be doing. Mm. It meant they were not obeying you or whoever they were with, and it was like, “Come get your children.
Come get these kids.” Mm-hmm. Uh, So in 2020 when the school system shut down, interestingly, uh, parents, and it was really a month because everyone thought they were gonna reopen within a month or a few weeks. Yeah. We just thought, “Oh, okay, we’re shut down. We’re gonna be open before the end of the school year.”
Paula: Mm-hmm.
Dr Josiah: Well, I, I came across so many parents that would, they were asking, you know, whether, well, they knew some of us as educators. “Well, when will school be open?” And, and so for them, they were like, “Come get these kids. Come get these kids.” Yeah. Uh, and it was interesting because on our side, uh, those of us in education or been in the building, uh, whether we work in a building or work in a setting in education, sometimes we say the same thing, “Come get these children.
Come get these kids.” Uh, because they’re not listening or following directions. So it was working on both sides. Uh, so that’s where the name came up from, [00:22:00] but it really came up because I heard more parents feeling like educators. You didn’t have to be a teacher, you know, it could have been the administrator, it could have been the staff, anybody.
“Come get these kids because I’m working. I don’t have time to watch them.” I And some were working remotely or, um, and I think then that’s when many, uh, companies, you know, had their, uh … Well, at least they were working outside the home, I should say. Then they end up working remotely. So anyway, the book wasn’t written in the sense of, you know, come get these kids in a negative way.
Mm-hmm. But I will say, uh, it was the space we were in. Distance learning, parents were now stuck with their children… And I say stuck because some were working out the home, and now they had to, you know, work with their companies or jobs to work in the home with the children there. And so the space for a lot of parents was tight, uh, where some parents couldn’t do their jobs because their children were at home.
So it was like- Oh … come get these kids, somebody. But anyway, yes. It, it, so that, like I said, that phrase is an older phrase, uh, which really is meant to talk about when your children are not listening, following directions, “Somebody, [00:23:00] come get these kids.” Uh, the other book, uh, so that was about, what, five years ago.
Uh, Show Up With Excellence Though, uh, which is almost a flip side of that, uh, really written because now that we’ve been in that space, somehow we lost the essence of respect. And we see that in our social media. We lost the dignity of how do we still talk to each other, respect each other. And we still do this, but I tell you.
We start to see social media being used as the site for, um, where you dishonor people, you talk about people. And as you’re doing this, you don’t care. Uh, I, I know there’s people who still believe the golden rule. You do unto others what you want them to do to you.
Paula: Mm-hmm.
Dr Josiah: And so Show It With Excellence was about respect.
We’re teaching the next generation, and we see so many children, even, um, schools today, it’s amazing just this school year going just to that, um, dress code has become an issue all of a sudden. We’ve seen it the last couple of years, and now I guess people are saying, “You know what? We are tired of seeing this.”
So [00:24:00] Show It With Excellence, it really means respect. Um, it’s not just about clothing or what you wear on the outside, it’s about respect. How do you respect adults? Uh, how do you respect yourself? How do you respect others? Uh, how do you help others? Uh, Because we live in a mean and, well, we say good and bad world, but we don’t all have to be mean, and, you know, we don’t all have to be disrespectful.
Okay. So Show It With Excellence really talks to that, how, you know, we can still be respectful, have unity, talk with one another, and, uh, have dignity about ourselves. And as we show that, others will catch on and do the same.
Paula: Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But I promised that we would speak for 30 minutes before we open up the floor to others who have joined us so that they can ask you questions, so I wanna be respectful and keep to that promise.
But I also want you to share with those who are listening to this afterwards or who are viewing this on our YouTube channel, if they would like to get in touch, in touch with you, [00:25:00] Dr. Josiah, how can they find you?
Dr Josiah: Absolutely. They can find me at my website, which is drjosiahj.com, so that’s my website. They can also find me on YouTube.
I have a YouTube, uh, podcast that is called Come Get These Kids.
Paula: Oh.
Dr Josiah: And so it’s, it’s, it’s a subtitle, uh, well, it’s Come Get These Kids, Let’s Talk Education. Hmm. So look for that. It’s actually under my name. I haven’t really fully changed that over, but if you go to Dr. Josiah Jackson TV, you’ll find me there.
Uh, so that’s my YouTube podcast channel where I talk to, uh, educators and families about what they can do, um, with their children. You can find me on LinkedIn, um, under Dr. Josiah Jackson. You can also find me on Facebook, um, under my name as well. Uh, and by the way, you can also find me on Substack. Just started that new platform, so go to St- Substack, look for Dr. Josiah Jackson.
Paula: I am- Find me there … commending you for being on Substack. Someone else told me that I need to get on Substack, so, you know.
Dr Josiah: Oh, wow. I, uh, yes, it’s a new platform that I like. I like it. [00:26:00]
Paula: Okay. You know, I said that Chatting With the Experts is to educate, empower, and inspire women globally, so it has to start with me.
I’ve gotta get on Substack. I gotta educate myself and get over this fear of another platform and get on Substack. So I’ll be on Substack, Substack as well. Okay. All right. And for those of you who are listening, if you’d like to be a guest just like Dr. Josiah Jackson has been, reach out to me on my website, which is chattingwiththeexperts.com.
I’m on LinkedIn. My business page there is called Chatting With the Experts on Link- LinkedIn. I’m also on Facebook. Um, you can reach out to me there. Um, Facebook is Chatting With the Experts, the business page there. On Instagram, my handle is @chat_experts_podcast, and we also have a YouTube channel that I’d love for you to subscribe to.
It’s called Chatting With the Experts, and if [00:27:00] you go there, you will see this episode where Dr. Josiah Jackson, as well as all previous episodes with women who are experts, who have educated, empowered- Yeah … and encouraged women globally. So thank you so much, Dr. Josiah Jackson, and now we’ll open up the floor to those who joined us so they can ask you questions.
I’m not gonna say my normal line, which is what I’m about to say. The questions that I forgot to ask you, that’s what they’ll do. Thank you for being such a great guest. I appreciate you.
Dr Josiah: Thank you again for having me today.