Transform Your Health: How Food and Nature Can Heal

Paula: [00:00:00] Well, hello everyone and welcome to this week’s episode of Chatting With The Experts. My show is a weekly one in which I highlight women from Africa, from the Caribbean, and in the Diaspora. These women are entrepreneurial, successful entrepreneurs, or they’re professional women. And the mission of this show is to inspire, to educate and encourage women globally. I have sometimes had a few men join us, but for the most part, it’s always women. So the title of today’s show is Healing With Food and Nature. And my guests will be telling you, or we’ll be talking about how the food you eat or do not eat and the environment in which you [00:01:00] live can cause you disease or it can heal you.
So we’ll explore how to optimize your health with food and nature. With me to do that is Dr. Stella Iwuagwu, and she is a public health professional, founder and executive director of Center for the Right to Health. It’s a Nigerian based nonprofit organization and she’s a garden enthusiast as well as an entrepreneur. There’s so much more I can tell you, but I always love my guests to talk about themselves on this show and to introduce themselves. And so with that, I will welcome Dr. Stella to Chatting With The Experts.
Stella: Hello.
Paula: Hello, Dr. [00:02:00] Stella. Welcome to the show. I’m so excited to have you here.
Stella: Thank you so much. I’m excited to be here with you too.
Paula: Wonderful. So I introduced you and every time I introduce my guests, I get so excited so that I just give a snippet of their bio. So can you, I mean, is there anything I left out? Is there anything that you’d have liked me to add?
Stella: No, you said it all. Just like you said, that’s I’m a Nigerian. I’m the Executive Director of the Center for the Rights of the Health. I’m also a farmer and a nature enthusiast.
Paula: A nature enthusiast. Yeah. And something that I didn’t mention, you may, as the conversation continues, is that you initiated a sustainable demonstration farm of farms. Right? Am I correct?
Stella: Yes. Some time ago, I think I started, I actually went home to Nigeria after I used to work [00:03:00] as an assistant professor at Cleveland State University. What a tragedy where I lost my younger sister to the health challenges in Nigeria. Overwhelmed my family and I had to go back home to Nigeria. With intent of working to see what I can do to improve the health system. However, I also started a homestead garden that I was growing just to nurture myself, but gradually I came to found out that Nigerians are so unhealthy and a lot of it has to do with the food they are eating and the ones they are also not eating. And with the overwhelming number of persons that are ill, there’s no way doctors and nurses could cope and provide quality health care.
So I started thinking, what can we do to reduce the disease burden, you know, especially chronic diseases in Nigeria. [00:04:00] People are aging, they’re falling prey to a lot of chronic diseases and the doctors are overwhelmed. So, I thought that food is a major determinant of our health. Our environment is also a major determinant of our health. And those are the two things that are crucially poor in Nigeria. People are not eating right. They’re not eating quality food. They’re not taking their fruits and vegetables and, you know, getting their vitamins and their nutrients, and those are the building blocks that the body really needs to be able to maintain our health, because if you give the body the right nutrients, it will heal itself.
Then I also noticed something really heartbreaking. Most of the food that are grown, are grown with chemicals. Every farmer is carrying knapsack left and right, and there is basically no training on how to use this thing safely. And so you find that a lot of the, you know, even when you [00:05:00] use even over here. One, we already know that most of these chemicals are carcinogenic and cause a lot of challenges. And then even when you use it, there is a certain number of days you need to give before you can harvest for it to be safe for human consumption. But who is educating them about this? So you find out that the food that people are eating is causing a lot of harm to them.
We’re having high level of chronic conditions like cancers, liver issues, kidney issues, you know, and then this is really causing a major challenge in the health of the population. So the environment is then of course, it is not only in the food, it is also in the environment. There’s so much toxins. Every house has a generator. The vehicles are there. Nobody checks for emission. And so you can’t run away from it. The mechanics pour diesels and engine oil in the gutters and the ground all [00:06:00] over. So the groundwater is contaminated. The air is contaminated. The food is contaminated. So little wonder that we have the kind of health challenges we have.
Then the noise pollution, the stress and tension, the criminality, the, you know, just… it’s very overwhelming. And all these environmental issues have challenges. They impact the free radicals. They bombard ourselves and cause the denaturing of those cells. And when the cells are denatured, they become abnormal, and they start rapid multiplication. And when cells are feeling like they’re about to die, they don’t just die, they begin rapid multiplication, and what they are multiplying is not normal cells, it is abnormal [00:07:00] cells that actually causes a lot of the organs to not function right. That’s why you have high incidence of cancers and inflammations. And of course, the body would come into defense to try to get rid of this denatured or diseased cells. What now happens, the body goes into chronic inflammation.
Inflammation is a good thing when it limits the damage to the cells. But when the damage is occurring at a higher rate than the body can actually take care of, then you have chronic inflammation. So your body is in a chronic state of inflammation. And that is what is causing all the arthritis and, you know, combination of the cellular denaturing is, which is leading to the cancers and cells. And then the food also, people are eating the diabetes, the high blood pressure, [00:08:00] the liver issues. So people are just dealing with a lot of chronic conditions. And when you look at the immune cells, when two people take two instances, two persons, one is eating right and is in a good environment, the other is not, they’ll be beaten by the same diseased mosquito. One person or they will drink the same unsafe water. The one with the healthy immune system is not likely to succumb to any illness, but the one with an unhealthy immune system will succumb to many illnesses.
Paula: Yes.
Stella: So little wonder that when people are living and most people, I mean, this is the environment, everybody’s breathing the same air anyway. And all of this makes people, makes the citizen chronically sick.
Paula: Yes.
Stella: And then something personal also happened to me that sealed my conviction that food is indeed medicine.
Paula: [00:09:00] Tell us about that.
Stella: Yeah. You see I had a spinal cord injury from an accident in 2007 when I went to Nigeria to do my dissertation. The same Nigeria.
Paula: Same Nigeria.
Stella: Because the roads are poor and even. If I had had that accident in America, I wouldn’t have become paraplegic because it affected my spinal cord injury. They would have known what to do at the right time and they would have had the equipments to do it here, but they didn’t. In Nigeria, I was poorly, I was seriously mismanaged.
Paula: Oh my gosh.
Stella: They couldn’t even do what they’re supposed to do for me and they did the things they’re not supposed to do, which complicated my case. Eventually they had to fly me to Ghana. It was in Ghana that they did the surgery to decompress my spinal cord. So I became paraplegic and wheelchair bound. It’s actually one of the reason I stayed back in America to, you know, take a job because my intention was actually to go back home because I love Nigeria and I want to be part of the changemakers. But [00:10:00] when my sister died, I knew that I can’t stay back. I had to go back and get in the trenches and do what I need to do.
I wasn’t even afraid of dying anymore. But because of my spinal cord injury, almost every organ in my body had a doctor. I was on several medications. I was on about 21 different medicines three times a day. So, but I took a leap of faith. I still went home. I had devices that needs to be refueled. I have a baclofen pump. I have a spinal stimulator. All of this equipment, I need to get them refueled on a regular basis. But I still went home anyway.
Paula: That’s your passion for home.
Stella: That’s my passion for change. That’s because I really believe I can make a difference. I can contribute. I have all these ideas that are sitting in my head and burning holes through my head. Yet I can’t do really much with it over here. So when I went home, what I did, of course, noticing the food landscape, I wasn’t confident eating food from the market. So I started a garden. Even in America. I grow my [00:11:00] own garden. Some of my friends, I have five apple trees. I have two pear trees. I have two plum and I grow vegetables around my trees. So my house is a food scape. So I started the same, initiated in my house in Nigeria. And the goal was to just grow my food. So I was growing food, my vegetables, I planted fruit trees, they’re all dwarf trees. So I had every fruit tree you could think of.
I had vegetables of every size of every type. I have herbs and I started growing my chicken green, my snail, a little bit of fish. So. I was living sustainably, you know, and every morning I go out there, feed my rabbits, you know, interact with my fishes. It’s just, oh, it’s like eating. And then I’ll pluck my orange trees, my lemongrass and, you know, everything. I’ll pull them together, boil them, I’ll make my tea. I blend them, I make my smoothie. Every food I’m eating have vegetables and fruits as an important [00:12:00] components of it, you know.
Paula: So you’re telling us all of that, you’re getting me hungry.
Stella: Yes. When people come to my house, oh, and the best part, I had mushrooms too. I was growing mushrooms. Oh God, I had the best time and guess what? My body started healing itself to the glory of God. God did it because all these initiatives are God’s initiative, God’s insights.
Paula: Yes.
Stella: But I followed through and healing started happening. I was stronger. I was losing weight. The pain was gone. I was getting off that pain medicines. And before you know what is to say, Jack, I was on three medicines instead of 21 medicines.
Paula: That is remarkable. Just for a second, because I’m thinking you’re doing all of that in the ground that, you know, we said is pollutant because we have, you [00:13:00] know, the diesel and generators and we have mechanics pouring diesel and other waste products in the ground into the drinking water. How did you achieve that or you weren’t in the city?
Stella: What? No, I wasn’t in the city. All of this is happening in the city. A lot of the pollution is more predominantly in the city. Okay. But I was in the outskirts of the city.
Paula: Oh, wow.
Stella: Yes. As a matter of fact, my land used to be a refuse dump. So what I did, I cleaned out all the plastics, I cleaned out all the rubbles, and you know, there were potholes in the land, you know, I just built a small cottage house, so all the rubbles and rubbish, I used them to fill, like a landfill, I used it to fill all the potholes. And then I covered in the paths, in the pathways and roadways around the house, and around the farm, so and I covered it with topsoil. And with red soil to make the road and I brought in topsoil and put in there and then I got, you know, from the fish, [00:14:00] from the chicken, from the goats, I was getting a lot of manure. I was composting. So all of this is generating new soil.
By this time I removed all the plastics out of the ground. So I had to do a lot of reclaiming of the soil and I started growing things there and they were doing so well and I was eating so healthy. And all these changes happen to my body for good. So that food is, I mean, I always know that food is medicine. I hold it, but it’s really almost like a theoretical concept. But when I personally experienced it, it’s no more a cliche anymore. It became a reality and it became a living passion.
Paula: For you.
Stella: That your body can heal itself if you give it the right food. That you can live disease-free is actually possible to live disease-free. The body is a regenerative machine. It can regenerate. But then if you don’t pay attention, all the thing we call about [00:15:00] aging and all of that, it is really the environment is really all those radicals that are destroying ourselves. It’s really the anxiety, the loneliness and all that is really very degenerative. But when you’re in an environment where you have nature, the trees are there giving you loads of oxygen, taking away all the carbon dioxide that you’re excreting. It’s cleansing. You’re breathing cleansed air.
So it’s almost like you’re in an oxygen tank because you have all this foliage. Then you are touching the ground. Your feet is touching the ground. You’re connecting with earth. You know, you don’t have to go to the gym to do exercise when you’re fat-burning. And then you’re interacting. You know that in America when there is an epidemic, what do they do? When there’s a disaster like all those hurricanes and stuff. I remember I experienced it in Carbondale and I saw these people with their dogs and they also come to the hospital, pet therapy, they bring their dog, they allow you to pet their dog and you [00:16:00] find yourself calming down. So animals themselves help us to calm down. When I carry my rabbit and pet my rabbit, Oh, I’m in second heaven. That’s why those that have pets seems to do better than those that don’t. But I had all of these animals that I love. I sit and watch my goat jump around. I wake up in the morning. I have to feed the fish.
And then even beyond the house, of course. So what started as a passion and as a homestead thing slowly became a business because now people come to my house and they’ll say, Oh my God, Stella, you’re living my dream. Can you come and make my house like this? And then I asked that going to landscape people’s house, and that brought me to the concept of edible landscaping, which I call ediscape. So
Paula: I love about that, because that was a [00:17:00] question I had, you know, what exactly and how do we, let’s say what exactly is edible landscape, let’s start with that and then we can talk about how we can in our own little spaces start doing that for us.
Stella: It’s really growing while you eat. Letting you know, we are I have nothing against flowers. I love flowers, but how do you plant flowers? And then you go to the store and buy poison to eat. So edible landscaping is just using edible food, edible things to beautify your landscape.
Paula: Okay. So you’re saying like, okay, I like, well, mine is not possible. I like grapes. I like mandarins. So like planting fruits…
Stella: Is it grapefruit or grapes? If it is grapes, like I tell people, you can grow things. And if you can grow flowers in containers, you can grow food in containers. And then I taught people horizontal space, which is the [00:18:00] ground is very limited. But vertical space is practically unlimited. So I taught people the fence in your wall, in your house, your fencing, you can turn them into landscape. Your roof, your, the wall of your house, you can turn them into, you can plant crawling and climbing plants. Zucchinis, ugu, all the things that can trail, you know, tomatoes that can actually trail on your wall. You can plant around and you don’t need a lot. Papaya takes very little space and they’re so beautiful.
Paula: Papayas, really? They don’t take much space?
Stella: They don’t take much space and within six to nine months you’re harvesting them. There are dwarf bananas, you know, so my house is like a holiday resort. It’s like a tropical dream. It’s a tropical scape. So that is the concept. And then I also have a concept I call Mediscape.
Paula: Mediscape. So there’s ediscaping. Now there’s Mediscape. [00:19:00]
Stella: Landscaping or scape. And then we have medical landscaping, which is also called Mediscape. And Mediscape is really about herbs.
Paula: Okay. Tell us about that.
Stella: Yes. So when you have, maybe you’ve eaten a little bit too much, you have indigestion, what do you do? You reach for tums, right?
Paula: Yes.
Stella: You have to go to the pharmacy store to get for tums. But if you have mints growing in a pot, you know, either in your balcony or even in your home or outside, what do you do? You pick some mint. I remember when they garnish your food, when restaurants garnish your food with mint and spearmint and all of those things, herbs that are edible. It’s used to cleanse your palate. So instead of looking for those things, you want to get it right into some mint or make a mint tea and drink your mint tea and you find out that it relieves your gas and stuff. The same thing, scent [00:20:00] leaf, in Igbo, we call it nchuanwu. Scent leaf is also a kind of the African basil. That is lemongrass. There are plants that actually drive away pests.
Paula: Yes.
Stella: But every day we are busy spraying more chemicals to kill pests and also pollute our environment. When we can plant lavenders, rosemaries, lemongrass, all of these plants, you know, that are very strong smell.
Paula: They’re healthy.
Stella: Pests don’t like them. So why don’t you surround your landscape? Why don’t you create a landscape? Especially when you have a garden. People build beautiful houses and build amazing flower gardens, but they can’t go outside to enjoy it because the pests, the mosquitoes and stuff takes over. So why don’t we build those landscapes with. That’s what our forefathers did. I remember my grandmother. We had [00:21:00] lemongrass. We have scent leaf. We had all these herbs that act as hedges around our homes and then when we had malaria or we had any of the ill or fevers, they will cut some lemon grass. I learned a lot of these also from my mother. You know, I started want to begin to look back at how our ancestors lived. They lived with nature. They lived in harmony with nature. So the concept of Mediscape is to plant some of the herbs, miracle plants, oregano, some things that we call the herbs. That we use only for their flavors actually are powerful medicine. Oregano is antibacteria, antiviral, antifungal. Can you believe all of this anti this in one plant?
Paula: No, I did not know that.
Stella: Antibacteria. Bitter leaf. Our own bitter leaf. Can you believe that? I saw bitter leaf capsule in an American store and they’re doing all this advertisement made in America. I said, when did America start [00:22:00] growing bitter leaf?
Paula: Bitter leaf.
Stella: They’re spending millions for treatment of diabetes. There are plants that actually can bring down your blood sugar. Bitter leaf is one of those plants. Even blood pressure. The king of bitters crushes your blood sugar. And this same plant has antiviral and antibacterial properties.
Paula: And we don’t know about it.
Stella: And we don’t know about it. And when we know about it, we don’t take it seriously. In India, in China, the health system integrates both alternative medicine and our regular western model.
Paula: Yes,
Stella: That’s allopathic medicine. And that is where they have complementary medicine.
Paula: Yes.
Stella: But we threw all our own away and call it native doctor or is this, they tell you all the scary things that will happen to you when you take them. But when you eat them as food, ginger is anti inflammatory. Ginger will help you deal with your nausea instead of you going to look for some [00:23:00] tablets that you have to spend so much money and deal with so many side effects. The same turmeric.
Turmeric has stem cell properties. Turmeric will help with anti inflammation, with cancer prevention, helps your heart. They package it as cocoa mean, and then you have to go to the pharmacy and buy very expensive. Yet it is something you can incorporate into your daily nutrition and give your body a boost. Our food should contain the sweet, the savory, the bitter, and the salty to balance. But we tend to eat more of the sugar in everything. Particularly the processed sugar.
Paula: Yes, that is.
Stella: Then we go into juicing. Oh, good juice. You do the juicing, you do the juice, and then you drink the dish juices, sugar. You throw away the fiber.
Paula: You throw away all the, yeah,
Stella: You
Paula: throw
Stella: away the fiber.
Paula: Fibers.
Stella: You eat an orange, you eat only this juice, and then you throw the fiber. The goats will rush to it because they know the best thing. We have our [00:24:00] herbs in Igbo, we call them Mbaise, Uziza. When a woman gives birth to a baby, you bring Negro peppers and all of that. All of that will help flush the system, detoxify the system. In a few days, you’ll see them bouncing around. Is it when you’re trying to lactate, do better as a lactating mother? There are herbs. We need to learn from animals, you know?
Paula: So
Stella: Things like that. Yeah.
Paula: My sister, I’m listening to this and I’m like, wow, where has she been the last 30 years of my life where I needed all of it. But what I am hearing is that, you know, it’s never too late to start.
Stella: It’s never too late.
Paula: And we can start where we are. So let’s talk about most of us at least most of the audience I know are based in the United States and some we have in in the UK. We have a few coming from like Africa, Nigeria for one, but because I’m in the States, I’m going to ask this question. So if I wanted to start like what do we call edible landscape or [00:25:00] ediscape, you called it? I like that name. Ediscape. Landscape. Okay, where do I start? Because I was saying to someone, oh, I had another guest on the show and I was saying that it shocked me that when I went to get organic potting soil or potting soil that it wasn’t really soil.
So where do I start if I am here in America and I want to eat healthy, I want to start planting my own food. Where would you tell me or advise me to start getting soil that I know is not filled with or, you know, some chemicals of some sort, or processed, so that it’ll
Stella: If they call it organic soil, you know, sometimes they use the leaves, you know, I saw that over here, they’ll collect the leaves, they’ll go compost it, and they’ll bring it and compost that, and eventually all those things break down as soil. They bring them as manure and manure as soil. Add a little soil to it, it becomes soil. And you can also compost. You can start putting away your food scraps and all your garden scraps and put them and eventually it will become [00:26:00] soil. You use it to grow your thing, your food. Then you can grow in your container, in your back porch, in your balcony, in your yard.
You can grow these things. Start small. Start on the things, you can grow your kale. You can grow tomato. I used to tell people, what is the sweetest fruit in the whole world? I said, the one you grow yourself. So you can start small and see what works. There’s a lot of DIY project programs. You can grow in containers, even the boxes that Amazon used to bring you things. You can grow potatoes in them. You can grow soil in them. So you don’t need to a lot of expense and then, but if you don’t want to make it crappy, I mean, you can also get nice ornamental pots and actually create a beautiful scape that you can sit in your balcony and enjoy your means growing in your beautiful ornamental pots.
You understand? So you’re creating beauty and function. So, start small, and then believe me, once you start, there’s a lot that you can accomplish. However, go to your garden spaces and ask. [00:27:00] There are some small garden spaces where you can get advice. Well, it’s most of these big stores. They have good garden species. So if you’re looking for organic soil and all the things you need to be able to grow your things, you can get ginger from the store or tumeric from the store, put it in the pot and it will still grow as long as you’re not putting chemical in it.
It will still come out okay. You can plant your own tomato. You can plant your peppers. You can plant kale. You can plant oregano and all of the other herbs. You can plant rosemary. So those are things that… you can plant your onion and your own garlic. Those are very easy to do even in containers. You know, as the system keep coming, you keep cutting what you need to cook just whenever you want.
Paula: So, but let me ask you another question because someone, all these suggestions agree, but someone said to me, okay, so if I’m creating a compost and I’m putting in like the vegetables or the wood scraps that have all these chemicals in them already. And I’m using that [00:28:00] for the compost. Am I not just creating chemical compost and feeling good for myself? Does that make sense?
Stella: Sorry, eventually it breaks down, though it takes a while to break down. And then another thing I would tell people when you buy food from the store, try and wash it, soak it in baking soda.
Paula: That’s a good one. Yes.
Stella: Soak it in baking soda, whether it’s fruits or vegetables, whatever it is, soak it in baking soda for about 5 to 10 minutes and then rinse it out thoroughly. Rinse it out thoroughly.
Paula: Yes. So bicarbonate of soda. Both of them.
Stella: Baking soda. Baking soda. I know of baking soda.
Paula: Okay. All right. Ooh, learned a lot.
Stella: The other part of this was, you know, talking about opportunities when there are challenges.
Paula: Mm-Hmm.
Stella: Every challenge can become an opportunity.
Paula: Yes.
Stella: So while I was doing this on a small scale, just sharing with my [00:29:00] friends and people started making demands and I said, before you know it, it turned into a business.
Paula: Yes.
Stella: And I got excited and that was how I now called it Sustainable Demonstration Farms. So I was not only running mine. I was helping other people set up their own. I was teaching and training in this new way of doing things. And then during COVID, when COVID came, there was this lockdown and we couldn’t particularly our fresh products, we couldn’t sell them. So we’re dealing with post harvest loss. So that is where I got the idea to start dehydrating. I started dehydrating the mushrooms. And then I started grinding them into powders and slowly I said, Oh, if I can dehydrate and grind and powder mushroom, I can powder other things. I started powdering kale, I started powdering ugu, I started powdering scent leaves.
And [00:30:00] before you know it, we are packaging this and we’re making teas, we’re making capsules. So we’re not just dehydrating. So that was how we have the business initiative where we are now producing teas and you know, so it’s not only just for culinary use. It is also for medicinal purposes. Because by now, I have enough clients that are taking this and getting good results. So, we are putting them online. They are available online at sdfarms.store. It’s also available on our Facebook link, and you know, so, It’s just been really an amazing opportunity. So that’s that I in the U. S. can go to sdfarms.store and they’ll see a range of teas from beetroot tea to lemongrass to oregano to bitterleaf, king of bitter.
So it’s a wide range of products and it’s just been helping people. Yesterday during Halloween, I gave one to one of my friend’s mother and she wrote back and said, Stella, my mom said she had the best [00:31:00] sleep ever and that gives me so much joy.
Paula: Whoa, that is so impressive. So you talked about how those of us in the United States can get your product. What about if we are, because our audience is global. What about those who are not in the United States? Can they order any of these other, I mean, these products on other storefronts?
Stella: Yeah, they can, but we are not global yet because of delivery costs. So it’s only in the US that we’re online, but I’m looking for partners. I’m looking for investors, people that can work with me. I’m looking for mentors because half of the time I don’t know what I’m doing. I’m just passionate about this thing. So I’m looking for those that are in the UK that can be my mentors and coach and distributors that can find the market in the US, in the UK, in Australia.
I’m already talking to someone in Australia, but I’m open to other nations. I’m looking for Europe because when you look at them online, if you go to sdfarms.store, you could see the wide range of products and that is [00:32:00] really an opportunity for everybody to come on board and help in the distribution chain.
We’re looking for expansion and we can also do white label where if you like the concept and you don’t want to market our products and you want your own brand, we can create some of this product in your own brand name. And you handle your marketing. So this way our factory will be busy even when we don’t have the order, but I’m really trusting God and trusting the support of my sisters in the Diaspora and in Nigeria, I’m needing like some of our products in Nigeria.
Like over here, I have FDA certification. I’ve been able to get FDA certification for our facility. So all our products can come into the US without any stress. And I don’t know what the requirement is in the UK. I’m waiting. I’m looking forward to Europe. We’ll have the, what you put the certification call Oh, God, that escaped my mind.
It’s HACCP. Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Point. So that is a [00:33:00] food certification that ensures that the food is safe. I think that is one of the certification you need before you can export to Europe. So we have that certification so our food can be able to enter Europe. In Nigeria, we have NAVDAC number. Nigeria does their own a little differently. You have to have NAVDAC certification for individual products instead of the facility. So we have NAVDAC certification for some of our products. And so we’re ready to enter Nigerian pharmacies and Nigerian supermarkets. So we are really ready to make a big business out of this and appreciate the support and I need investors. I need partners. I need coaches. I need mentors. And I need those that will buy the product and share their experiences to help other people.
Paula: That’s why you are here. And so, you know, immediately after this, you’re good to be able to talk to the interactive audience member. And that’s another opportunity for you to network and spread the word with people who are looking [00:34:00] for alternative ways of keeping healthy, not just a conventional way, but also being as natural as possible without all the side effects that we hear from, you know, regular conventional medicine, and you have that opportunity.
Stella: Thank you.
Paula: And then I wanted to read this invitation to all of you who are in the audience and those who are listening after this recording to say that if you would like to be a guest on the show, please reach out to me, Paula Okonneh, on my website, which is chattingwiththeexperts.com. You can also get in touch with me on LinkedIn. Just look for Paula Okonneh or I am also on IG under, what’s my handle, I always have to remember that, at chat_experts_podcast, or on Facebook as Paula Okonneh. Dr. Stella, I am always amazed when I speak with you about your wealth of knowledge and even more so about your [00:35:00] passion for what you do.
And so now we’ll give you an opportunity to talk with the audience members for them to get even more information that we haven’t been able to share. During this limited space or this limited time of the show, but I want to also say thank you. Thank you.
Stella: Thank you.
Paula: You’re welcome.